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Gran Turismo vs Forza Motorsports: final… for now.

Tuesday, December 7th, 2010

So. I’ve FINALLY had some time with Gran Turismo 5.

I’ve also come to a decision on which one is best (as of 2010).

Forza 3 wins.

wha! whu? yea. I said it. Forza wins, Gran Turismo is finally dethroned (in my head that is).

GRAPHICS
Yes, GT5 has some amazing graphics. Beautiful tracks. Great looking cars. Are they better than Forzas, yes, but not by much.

CARS
GT5 claims 1000 cars, Forza has just over 500 cars. seems like alot is missing right? yea kinda. But do you really want to race a Volkswagen Kubelwagen? no. Toyota Prius? no, oh well theres still 3 of them in Gran Turismo.

maybe you like civics? theres 16 of them. Does anybody need 16 civics to race? ….Forza 3 has 6.

oh lets race our Mazda Miatas? Gran Turismo has 22. Forza 3 has 3. In all reality, who need 22 different Miatas? is anyone really buying a game based on the Miatas in the game. None. That’s the problem with stating numbers with out context, it doesn’t take into effect the amount of duplicate cars. Yes, i understand, cars evolve over time, and change. But highlight the keys years, not EVERY iteration of the car.

Another thing about the cars. GT5 is a Museum where Forza 3 is a garage. In GT5 you can look at the cars, some you can touch but thats it. In Forza if the cars in the proverbial ‘garage’ its yours to do what you want with it. Dont like the paint job, change it. Dont like the rims? change it. In Gran Turismo there are tons of cars that are locked. Paint job locked. Rims locked. In Forza you can create CRAZY custom graphics and logos on the cars. look it up. its crazy.

Dont take me wrong, its amazing that they took the time to catalog and recreate all of the cars that they did for Gran Turismo 5. But I, personally, do not want to drive half of the cars in Gran Turismo, where as, with Forza, i want most of them. I gotta say, Forza 3 feels more currated.

TRACKS
This, for me was a real toss up. Both contain standard, real life courses. Great. But both games have not-real courses that i love too much to give up. Gran Turismo has Grand Valley and Trial Mountain. Two of my Forza favorites are Maple Valley and Sunset Peninsula.

so, tied.

GAMEPLAY
Gran Turismo has been the same since the first game came out in the late 90s. There has been no innovation. Each GT has had the same reoccuring races in each game, the same events. Another big disappointment, there is just not that many ‘career’ events to do in GT5. Forza has a race for almost every single car in the game.

Finally, License tests still? what. the. fuck. the most boring and tedious part of Gran Turismo Life.

CONCLUSION
Digital Polyphony, i love you, but its time to take a look in the mirror. Lets cut that car list in half , How about the ability to paint EVERY ONE of our cars? Lets give the player a chance to create the cars they want. Hey, maybe i could also not be locked into the same racing suit? variety. it s a spice of life.

Turn 10, keep up the good work. I can has 2002tt nao?

Gran Turismo vs Forza Motorsports: A few more cents.

Friday, November 20th, 2009

(this is an update to the following post)

Well, in the time since i’ve written another post about the two games. I got a PS3 and Gt5 Prologue. On the 360 end, Forza 3 also came out. so now… drumroll please… i can weigh in about the two.

Forza 3
Wow. Forza 2 was one thing, but Forza 3 definitely stepped it up. More of everything… cars, tracks, series. From the beginning, every car is available for purchase, granted you have the credits. When you win a series of races you get a pretty good amount of money so you don’t have to spend too much time racing for extra cash to keep ‘moving up’. You don’t win prize cars (so far, i’m a level 13) at the end of series, instead you get them when you level up. You level up pretty quickly early on, and the cars are actually useful (i’m looking at you GT).

Along the lines of race courses, there is a pretty good amount to choose from. You have everything from tight training courses, up to full international circuits. Some real, some fake, but each one has its own thing going on. Fujimi Kaido is an incredible windy road to hone your drifting skills on, and even get an acheivement like i did.

(i choose the video mostly because of the great song, but the drivings good too. POS – Optimist)

The car selection is quite diverse, from dinky sub-compact/city cars, boy racers, sports cars, and even some stock cars. I bought the ‘VIP’ version of the game which got me some exclusive cars and a couple free cars gifted to me by the developers. One of the cars they sent me was an incredibly fast Acura Le Mans car. Instead of having 6 different versions of the same model, they’ll chose the 2 best ones. Tons of modifications and upgrades are available, including the newly added option to change your cars drivetrain… aka turn an all wheel drive to a Rear wheel drive car. The amazing livery editor is back, and has been refined. When you load a vinyl group, it actually ‘groups’ them together into one layer instead of just importing all the layers from the vinyl group over. Tons of paint color available, but it would have been great to be able mix your own, and also a choice of matte finish would have been great.

I haven’t raced online yet, I’m waiting to get a beefier, diverse garage first. I’ve bounced into the auction house and picked up a few bargains. but beware, some of the cars i thought i was getting for a steal, ended up being prize cars you get when you level up. I ended up with two duplicates, but luckily i put em back up for sale, and got rid of em.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
What can i say, its fucking beautiful. When a developer takes their time to learn how to take advantage of the PS3 powers, this is what you get. This is one of those rare games that just could not be done exactly the same on the 360. But, with things like damage, and custom paint/design missing, there’s less to bog down the system, freeing it up for more rainbows and unicorns.

The physics engine has been greatly improved over GT4. The cars are not as ‘dive-y’ as they were in GT4 when you brake hard. One thing i noticed, you still cannot flip a car over like you can in Forza 3 (i still haven’t been able to flip one yet). I slammed a car into the wall going really fast, spun out, hit the wall again. It was then that the car started hitting these invisible walls keeping it from flipping end over end. You no longer bounce off walls any more, and you also get thrown off when you hit a car too.

Cars…yea, there’s some cars in it, but not much. Usually 2-4 per manufacturer, but some of them get incredibly pricey. You cannot tune them, supposedly the option to change ride height is in there, but i have not been able to find it. Your limited to the colors that the manufacturer made the car in… no custom colors… WTF!

This whole colors thing really annoys me about Gran Turismo. In real life, you can take you car to get painted another color, colors the manufacturer does not offer. Why the fuck can you not do that in Gran Turismo. I’m not asking for a livery editor like Forza, but i just want to be able to paint the car whatever colors i want. Its bonus points when you can paint different parts different colors like Forza. In forza you can paint the rims, hood, mirrors, and even the spoiler. My signature paint job ALWAYS includes a carbon colored hood. In Gran Turismo the car never feel like they are mine, instead i’m just borrowing them from the museum for the day.

Heres comes another bummer… theres only 6 different race courses available, each one has 2 versions. 4 real world courses are available, and 2 fake ones from the GT universe. They are pretty good, just, not enough. The Developers released another course a while ago, but it would be cool if they could drop a couple more for us to race on. you know, to whet our appetite.

Conclusion
Considering GT5 Prologue is just a demo and Forza 3 is a full game – Forza 3 is the current leader in the race. GT5 has potential, but they are not showing anything new in Prologue, just nice graphics and improved physics. There was more than just a car/course update when it comes to Forza, everything seemed to be even further refined or improved.

In the end it boils down to what i want to play when i want to play. Do i wan to just jump in race, and i’m done? ok, then i’ll play Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Do i want to put some time into modifying and tuning a car? then Forza 3 is the way to go. each one is great, just depends on what your looking for.